Iōng-chiá thó-lūn:Assassas77
Ke chi̍t-ê toān-lo̍hI think we should record the current Teochew sound (-n→-ng, -t→-k, etc.). We can keep the reference to Fielde. Suzukaze-c (對話) 2018-nî 3-goe̍h 7-ji̍t (Saⁿ) 03:58 (UTC)
- @Suzukaze-c: I agree. However that means we would have to deal with multiple pronounciation that are not referenced by Fielde. Such as 夗 (meaning 睡) [website 潮州音字典]:
- ug8 for Chaozhou 潮州音
- in6 for Jieyang 揭阳音
- The website 潮州音字典 records for the character 親:
- cing1 for Chaozhou 潮州音
- cêng1 for Jieyang 揭阳音
- For the second problem, what do you think of the type of transcription ?
- peng'im looks different from Peh-oe-ji or Missionary transcription: cing1-zian5
- Using Fielde / Missionary Transcription is close to Peh-oe-ji but forces people to learn about it: ching-cîaⁿ
- Using w:en:International Phonetic Alphabet can unsettle people who don't know about it ; and it removes some of the information needed for sandhi tonal: /t͡ʃiŋ˧ t͡sĩã˥/
- I guess we could use the three of them cing1-zian5; ching-cîaⁿ; /t͡ʃiŋ˧ t͡sĩã˥/. A template would be nice to handle this and be able to convert from one to another.
- Assassas77 (對話) 2018-nî 3-goe̍h 7-ji̍t (Saⁿ) 08:07 (UTC)
- I think we can use Hai-kinn Ban-gu Lun-toann's MTR. Maybe we shouldn't worry about IPA since there is no IPA for Hokkien here either.
- For dialects, maybe we can split 潮州話, since the entries here already split Hokkien into Chinchew, Amoy, Changchew, and Taiwan dialects. It might need discussion with other editors, but I don't think there are other active editors...
- Example: [1]
- Suzukaze-c (對話) 2018-nî 3-goe̍h 8-ji̍t (Sì) 05:47 (UTC)
- I'll need more time to review it and think about it. We don't want to overwhelm people with to many transcription, Peng'Im is very used, but it would be good if we also use one that allow people to read some Hokkien at least slightly...
- I mean... We have plenty of time :D This dictionary is still 600 pages long ! ;D I just started working here to have a feel of what problems we will encounter in the future. Assassas77 (對話) 2018-nî 3-goe̍h 9-ji̍t (Gō·) 08:49 (UTC)